UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
90 CIV 5722 -against- (CSH)
DISTRICT COUNCIL OF NEW YORK CITY AND VICINITY OF THE UNITED
BROTHERHOOD OF CARPENTERS AND JOINERS OF AMERICA, et.al.,
Defendants.
Independent Investigator Deposition
December 13, 2004 4:20 o'clock p.m.
DEPOSITION of JEREMIAH CASEY, taken by the Independent Investigator, Walter Mack, Esq., pursuant to letter subpoena, at the offices of Doar, Rieck & Mack, Esqs., 217 Broadway, 7th Floor, New York, New York 10007-2911, before Stewart Nissenbaum, a Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New York.
RECEIVED
DEC 2 9 2004
DOAR RIECK & MACK
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APPEARANCES: |
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DOAR, RIECK & MACK, ESQS.
219 Broadway, 7th Floor |
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New York, New York 10007-2911 |
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BY: WALTER MACK, ESQ.
Independent Investigator |
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O'DWYER & BERNSTEIN, ESQS.
Attorneys for Union |
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52 Duane Street
New York, New York 10007 |
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BY: STEVEN KASARDA, ESQ. |
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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE |
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U.S. Attorney's Office |
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Southern District of New York |
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86 Chambers Street |
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New York, New York 10007 |
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BY: EDWARD SCARVALONE, ESQ. |
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PETER M. DORAN, ESQ. |
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Attorney for Witness
832 McClean Avenue |
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Yonkers, New York 10704 |
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(212) 349-9692 TANKOOS REPORTING (516) 741-5235 |
1 Jeremiah Casey 190
2 about?
3 A Not that I can think of, no.
4 They were always watching; they were always
5 around the corner measuring you, how much you
6 had done.
Q Who are you talking about when you say "they"?
9 A Derek or Sean or Mark. Mark was
10 a good guy, he never broke your balls, but
11 the bosses did.
12 Q What were they doing in terms
13 of
14 A They would come in at 7:00 in the
15 morning and asked you where you start. Just
16 that: I'm the boss and you work for me;
17 that's it
18 Q I want to give you an opportunity
19 now, because we still have some work to do
20 here, but I want you to explain to the judge
21 through me, why, when you were down here back
22 in June, you didn't tell me then what the
23 truth was. And explain it in your own words.
24 What were the pressures that kept you from
25 honoring your oath back in June?
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Jeremiah Casey 191 |
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A More or less -- it was just --if |
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I had went down here that time and said the |
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truth, I would not have had a job to go to. |
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If it got out in this industry that you were |
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the guy who gave up evidence, you would never |
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again work in this town. |
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Q Tell me how you know that. |
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A Word gets around. |
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Q That what? |
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A Oh, you're a rat or you're |
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whatever, you know. |
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Q Then what would happen? |
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A You wouldn't keep working, you |
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would lose your job. |
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Q Did anyone threaten you with |
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losing your job? |
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A No, not threaten. |
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Q Let me choose my word. Did |
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anyone caution you or advise you to come down |
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and lie here? |
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A Yeah. |
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Q Who? |
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A Yes. |
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Q Who? |
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Jeremiah Casey 199 |
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pressure that you fell under, so that the |
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judge, when he reads this report, the clerks, |
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can put themselves in your shoes. |
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This is an opportunity to tell |
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the truth. If you choose to follow or pursue |
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it or not, it is up to you. If you want to |
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say a few words about that, here's your |
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opportunity. If not, we'll move on. |
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A If I had given up everyone at |
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that time, word would have gone out, because |
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there was so many guys came down here before |
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me. And whether they had been here before me |
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or after me, it still would have been on me, |
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that I was the one -- |
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Q Who gave them up? |
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A -- who gave them all up. |
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Q What would have been the |
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consequence, what would have happened if that |
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came out? |
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A As a carpenter, you could forget |
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about working in the City. If you're not |
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liked, you're not going to stay working. |
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Q Explain to me why that is, why |
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wouldn't you be hired if you honored your |
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oath and told the truth. I'm saying, how |
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